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Salitang Tagalog na Galing Aleman

I would doubt that many, if not most, of the words presented actually come from German. From what I know, these words have already been part of the core lexicon of Tagalog and other Philippine languages even before any element of the Germanic languges reached the islands. Could it be that these apparent cognates are no more than coincidences?

What I know for sure though is that sundalo comes, by way of Spanish, from the German Soldat. =D —Život 09:32, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

I have temporarily removed the list because of it being disputed and it might have violated Wikipedia policies : Wikipedia:No original research, Wikipedia:Verifiability. Unless the author cite verifiable sources then the list will return to the article.

The list is archived in a temp page Wikang Aleman/Temp.

-- Bluemask (usap tayo) 09:35, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

German Words

Someone asked in the German Wikipedia if there words were right. I corrected some of them, and here are some Notes as well. Thanky for the english translation, by the way, as I don't know any Tagalog . Greetings from German, Silberchen

dahil - "daher" -- therefore-- dahil dito/kaya
bilang- "Balance" -- balance -- nalalabi/tira (french orign)
hweteng/jueteng - "wetten" -- to bet-- tumaya/pumusta
bahin- "wehen" [ve-hen] -- blow -- bumuga
k(um)ain- "kauen" -- chew -- nguyain at lulunin
durugin - "drücken" [dryu-ken]--press,squash -- diinan/pisain
duruin - "drücken" [dryu-ken]-- prick-- tusukin/saktan
(i)turok - "drücken" [dryu-ken]-- pierce-- iinyeksyon
gawaran - "gewahren" -- to grant-- pagkalooban/bigyan (old, not often used nowerdays)
bihagin- "behagen" -- to please -- paligayahin/pasayahin (old, not often used nowerdays)
tyani - "Zange" [tsange]-- pincers -- pang-sipit
(ka)sama - "zusammen"(syllable ellision)--together-- magkasanib
idlip - "schlafen" [islif](cosonant switch)-- sleep -- natutulog (past form is "schlief")
panis - "Panne" -- breakdown -- sira/baklas
sikat - "Sieger" [si-ger]-- winner-- panalo/nagwagi
lamok - "Mücke"[myuke] -- mosquito-- lamok
lagay - "Lage" -- condition -- kalagayan
lagyan - "legen" [ley-gen]-- to put -- salinan/punan/sidlan
ginang- "gnadig" -- gracious -- butihin/kagalang-galang (babae) ("gnadig" is no German word. You would say "Gnadenvoll", "full of grace" or something. "Gnade" ist "grace"
gat- "Gatte"-- male/husband -- panuring sa lalaki (old, not often used nowerdays)
gising - "gessint"-- ready -- handa/listo/di-tulog (I don't understand "gessint". Some of the German words here are misspelled, and I corrected them. "Ready" is "fertig" or maybe "bereit", but as said before, I don't know what word "gessint" should be.
isa - "eins"-- one-- bilang sa pagitan ng 0 at 2
dalawa/dua - "zwei" [tsu-ei]--two -- pagitan ng 1 at 3
galingan - "gelingen"-- succeed -- magtagumpay/husayan
ubusin - "einbüßen"-- to lose -- gamitin hanggang mawala
kalabaw - "Kalb"-- calf -- hayop sa bukid (plural would be "Kälber", the word that's in the list now)
mura-" murren"-- grumble -- salita ng naiinis o galit
kilig-" kitzlig"-- ticklish -- nakakakiliti
dinggin-"denken"-- think -- pakinggan/ pag-isipan /liluin
buntis-"bund/bundnis"-- bond, waist bulge -- buklod ng pareha / baywang ng pantalon na nakabalumbon
busiksik - "buschig"-- bushy -- nakatikwas na buhok o brotsa
kantiin - "Kante"-- edge -- salingin, salatin sa gilid
samot - "samt"-- gathered-- tipon,lipon (seldom used)
kikay - "keckheit" [kek-hayt]-- saucy,pert-- magaslaw, makiri (modernong pambansag sa dalaga o dalagita) (unusal, keck could be used as a adjective)
balong - "quellen" [kbel-len]-- flow out/well up-- bumukal (tubig)
bukal - "Quelle" [kbel-le](consonant inversion)-- spring-- pamulaan ng tubig o daloy
susi - "Schlüssel"[slus-sel]-- key -- pambukas ng kandado;** maaari din na mula sa salitang Nan Min (Tsino)
himala - "Himmel"-- heaven -- gawa/ mula sa langit
buwan - "Mond"-- moon -- katawang-langit na umiikot sa daigdig
gabi - "Abend"-- evening -- bandang madilim ng isang araw
basa - "nass"[na-sa] -- wet -- di-tuyo
apoy - "Feuer" [fo-yer]-- fire --bagay na lumiliyab, nagbabaga, lumuluto
iyon/iyan - "jener" [yen-ner]-- that-- panturo sa malayo
s(i)ya - "sie"-- she -- panghalip sa pan-3 panauhan

It's not "gnadig" but "gnädig" with umlauted a. But more generally: Which historical events made Tagalog being flooded (as it seems) by German words? German pre-WW1 colonies were a bit far away... --84.154.155.132 21:11, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the correction of "gnädig", I didn't see that one. 84.154.155.132 or anyone, do you understand "gessint"? Could be gesinnt, for several translations please see [1] None of them is "ready"... -- Silberchen

A lot of these German words also have cognates in Yiddish and, I assume, other High German dialects. The fact that a lot of the words listed are core words would suggest that there had been extensive intermingling between German and Filipino peoples, either in the Philippines or in Central Europe. Although, yeah, that would be a bit too far-fetched. Plus the cultural element is missing; such a long time of living together would necessarily entail cultural diffusion between the two groups which, quite frankly, isn't very evident. —Život 09:12, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

The german word "gewahren" is correctly spelled "gewähren" with an umlauted a. "bund/bundnis" should be "Bund/Bündnis". "Bund" has several meanings, see de:Bund. "Bündnis" with an umlauted u means "alliance" -- 87.122.9.193 18:57, 24 October 2005 (UTC) (de:Benutzer:Sciurus)